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Cheers, boos follow renewable energy bill

The Daily Reporter -- A manufacturer and union predict more construction work from a state renewable energy bill, while business groups argue the measure would drive jobs out of Wisconsin.

The bill would support energy-conservation projects by increasing the amount the state charges ratepayers. It also would set a 2025 deadline for 25 percent of state electricity to come from renewable sources, such as wind or solar.

Supporters of the bill, such as solar panel manufacturer Helios USA LLC and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Wisconsin local unions, are rallying for the bill.

The proposed changes, especially the conservation mandate, mean jobs for electricians, construction laborers and pipe fitters, said Dave Boetcher, government affairs coordinator for the local unions.

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Submitted Mar 13, 2010 By: LetemEatCake

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LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:426,370 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:00:22 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse JOHNNY95206 from Stockton... Hey Dude...even the mighty Mississippi started as small raindrops in Minnesota! Using the 'glass is half full' theory, more of us should try it around here, that is 50 more families WITH a job. Fifty more families spending money in your town, 50 families helping the economy. Small raindrops and baby steps....something to applaud not denigrate!
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,787 Points:631,010 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:24:18 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse CobraLeader: Please contain yourself and watch your laguage. That nonsense it totally unnecessary here. WI's renewable energy bill is very similar to others passed much earlier by most states. The legislators and people of Wisconsin should have no problem with this. Come on Madison, what is taking so long to get this moving?
JOHNNY95206 Champion Author Stockton Posts:1,804 Points:190,380 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 3:08:53 AM Ignore JOHNNY95206 Report Abuse "Renewable-energy goals proposed in Wisconsin and enacted in surrounding states are helping Helios USA build its first solar panel manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, said CEO Steve Ostrenga. He would not say where the plant would be built, but said it would have about 40,000 square feet and create at least 50 jobs within three years of opening." 50 jobs in 3 Year WoW. What the % Is that to the people out of work that need job? Make a lot of ¢ yes?
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,914 Points:495,160 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:59:18 AM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse I hope the only ones who get jobs are not union, illegal alien only!
MikLamb Champion Author Texas Posts:2,868 Points:1,163,540 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:22:48 AM Ignore MikLamb Report Abuse Seems good to me.
The_Gunslinger Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,897 Points:384,340 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:15:54 PM Ignore The_Gunslinger Report Abuse I'm just a bill. I'm only a bill.
greenfog Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,543 Points:640,150 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:12:51 PM Ignore greenfog Report Abuse if they can make it work, then do it. we need more renewable energy and it has to start somewhere.
fordmexico Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,952 Points:172,825 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:10:06 PM Ignore fordmexico Report Abuse All you need to do is to look around at the rest of the world. China is quickly becoming the economic power of the 21st. century. Despite massive coal reserves, they are also investing huge amounts of money in wind, solar and nuclear energy. They are quickly taking leadership positions in wind and solar power. Germany is also investing heavily in alternative energy, especially wind power. Shouldn't all of this tell all you with your "head stuck in the ground "drill baby drill" mentality" that the USA better get off its butt and prepare for the future! Industry has the history of resisting change, especially change that will cause short-term profit declines as everyone is living in the present and wants immediate gratification, profits and bonuses no matter what the consequences for the future. Is this going to be expensive? Yes? Will there be employment issues as the USA transitions from a manufacturing based economy to one based upon technology and services? Yes. Still, we need to start now! Otherwise, we will find ourselves in the same position as Great Britain at the end of the 19th century as it clung to a coal based manufacturing economy and did not invest in the future. Instead, the British relied upon their military power in hopes they could maintain their dominant position as a world leader. We should not let this happen to the USA!
moody4u Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,835 Points:546,350 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:03:34 PM Ignore moody4u Report Abuse We do not need A bill !
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:8,306 Points:1,345,150 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:00:38 PM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse No free energy lunches, folks.
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,746 Points:607,070 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:58:45 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse A new renewable energy bill? What happened to the last one that President Obama tried to shove down the American people's throat?
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,717 Points:1,311,950 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:52:57 PM Ignore jay4 Report Abuse Just do it.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:11,516 Points:2,022,585 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:50:03 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Partly good.
GasitupJB Champion Author Columbia Posts:3,714 Points:559,710 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:50:00 PM Ignore GasitupJB Report Abuse Too much politics in our energy policy.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:3,320 Points:575,730 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:36:51 PM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Alternative sources of energy should carry with them the same burden of taxes as regular sources.
kbierley Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,441 Points:1,045,735 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:35:11 PM Ignore kbierley Report Abuse How can any energy bill be good with Special Interest Deals loaded in it?
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:1,143 Points:663,910 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:31:01 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse If this means my energy costs are going up again, I won't be happy.
dinahf Champion Author Kansas City Posts:8,924 Points:1,370,230 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:26:24 PM Ignore dinahf Report Abuse Renewable energy sources are good...no two ways about that! But we should have moved to renewable energy a decade ago.Hydro-power from dams has been under-exploited too. Anything renewable = better than non-renewable.
rimpyCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,470 Points:305,495 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:20:34 PM Ignore rimpyCA Report Abuse alrighty
enigma09 Rookie Author Dayton Posts:66 Points:279,095 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:17:55 PM Ignore enigma09 Report Abuse solar panels = pricey!
DancingDee Champion Author Gary Posts:2,581 Points:670,355 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:15:38 PM Ignore DancingDee Report Abuse To BEngr: Did you really have to make your post so long?!!!
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,316 Points:642,525 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:11:49 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse When you drive up energy cost, you hurt the poor and the elderly. Shame on Wisconsin.
salgood Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:412 Points:151,620 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:07:52 PM Ignore salgood Report Abuse Most excellent Ted, $700 million for 50 solar panel jobs. I'd love to have one of those jobs that pay $14 million per year!
BEngr Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,527 Points:575,705 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:01:48 PM Ignore BEngr Report Abuse I'm all for using renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. But if you have to raise utility bills to pay for these kind of projects which will only provide short term construction jobs. The fact is when they are completed and operational they only need a few people to operate them for the next 20 to 30 years. Also there is no incentive to the people who pay these utility bills, because when was the last time you saw a utility bill go down? In the meantime, you driven out manufacturing companies because they can no longer afford higher utility bills and they employ more people all year long for many years. I think the state needs to rethink their logic, before they lose manufacturing companies and add more people to their unemployment roles.
SBlouch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:4,710 Points:1,016,735 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:58:05 PM Ignore SBlouch Report Abuse There is only gonna be 25% of state renewable energy. As usual they plan to have the ratepayers pay for it.
altima2008 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:3,049 Points:730,435 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:55:48 PM Ignore altima2008 Report Abuse Why didn't we do something like this 20 years ago? We wouldn't be in this mess now!
Jeeputtputt All-Star Author Cincinnati Posts:530 Points:145,470 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:53:56 PM Ignore Jeeputtputt Report Abuse 15 years,--- way too long
dinahf Champion Author Kansas City Posts:8,924 Points:1,370,230 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:52:13 PM Ignore dinahf Report Abuse Twenty-five percent from renewable energy by 2025???That's just too little..too late! Should have thought of this 8 or 10 years ago and gotten more from wind and solar by now....
zeddieiv Champion Author Columbia Posts:3,455 Points:1,032,710 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:50:49 PM Ignore zeddieiv Report Abuse booo
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:4,623 Points:1,346,190 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:49:16 PM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse Have they considered the cost of going solar? Not everyone has that kind of money. I makes no difference if you go broke attempting to buy solar power or if you go broke paying penalties.
nightworker998 All-Star Author Maryland Posts:682 Points:281,370 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:46:00 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse Companies and people are more likely to conserve with a carrot (incentives) than the stick ( rate hikes)
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:10,707 Points:1,212,700 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:41:20 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse We can't keep using fossil fuels forever! Someday we WILL run out. And sure, we may have enough coal to last hundreds of years, but not oil! Wake up!
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:7,756 Points:1,358,590 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:38:32 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse sieg heil
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rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,687 Points:1,562,430 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:28:09 PM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse Renewable energy is a way to improve energy resources and put more people at work while curbing other industries from having monopolistic control of resources. Wake up people.
NurseKitty Rookie Author Arizona Posts:48 Points:64,535 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:22:42 PM Ignore NurseKitty Report Abuse right
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:2,037 Points:589,940 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:19:20 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse Captive audiance
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ccrb Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:8,702 Points:1,653,320 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:12:06 PM Ignore ccrb Report Abuse investment and projects only really make sense when the market demands and supports it.
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,470 Points:1,091,790 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:08:38 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse Because the government is sponsoring it, it is bad. They are currently capable of doing virtually nothing for the good of the people.
beachbumCA Champion Author Riverside Posts:3,869 Points:729,870 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:06:07 PM Ignore beachbumCA Report Abuse They do not need jobs in Wisconsin. Here in California we are doing our best to kill as many jobs as we can.
toyrunner300 Champion Author Calgary Posts:1,925 Points:971,290 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:03:56 PM Ignore toyrunner300 Report Abuse Time will tell, only hope it is good.
letmathe Champion Author Chicago Posts:9,830 Points:2,250,120 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:03:22 PM Ignore letmathe Report Abuse Hope the jobs are sustainable.
Rick52 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,260 Points:280,105 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:56:18 PM Ignore Rick52 Report Abuse I'm Union ... This is a total waste ...No one is thinking past their nose... The long run out come !! This is my Tax dollars being Wasted !!!! I need work Too !!! But not with wasted tax money that I will have to pay for .. [Edited by: Rick52 at 3/13/2010 9:58:50 PM EST]
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,882 Points:1,299,010 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:52:24 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse its an investment
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:2,954 Points:584,455 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:45:56 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse is it financially viable?
k2kipp All-Star Author Minnesota Posts:800 Points:371,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:45:13 PM Ignore k2kipp Report Abuse Wonder about the cost...
kidrockTX Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:3,854 Points:507,845 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:40:30 PM Ignore kidrockTX Report Abuse is obama in on this if so it is no good
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:12,639 Points:2,510,550 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:38:39 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Yet another case of the government telling you how to live. If renewable energy were competitive without subsidies there would be a massive conversion on its own without the need to steal from the taxpayers.
jarrjazz1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:2,189 Points:444,340 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 8:33:03 PM Ignore jarrjazz1 Report Abuse keep conserving!