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Ethanol-free gas running on fumes

Lancaster Sunday News -- The nationally averaged cost of a gallon of regular, 10-percent ethanol blend was $2.71 last week. It's typically cheaper than straight gas. But motorists go out of their way to buy the pricier stuff from John's Gulf, 517 Union St., owner John Kirchner said.

"The conventional gas is definitely better," he added. "As long as we can get it we'll keep selling it."

Gasoline/ethanol blends have become standard service station fare since passage of a 2007 federal renewable fuel standard intended to cut pollution and foreign oil dependence.

Nationally, said Al Mannato of the American Petroleum Institute in Washington, "About 90 percent of the gasoline in the United States has 10 percent ethanol in it."

Straight gas isn't fading without a fight, though...

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Submitted Jul 31, 2010 By: sluggopyle

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sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,551 Points:954,820 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Aug 4, 2010 5:09:21 PM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse The Texas Ethanol-free thread has been unlocked. Thanks, Mods. Texans, please go list your latest info.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,551 Points:954,820 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Aug 2, 2010 11:48:37 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse => Ethanol is here to stay -- 10 percent added is fine. <= If you like it, go for it. Just give the rest of us a choice. I remember ethanol from decades ago in seedy cheapo gas stations -- it was like the WalMart of gasoline, a place where only those who were barely scraping by would go to save a few pennies, or those who didn't care about their car's health (or both). Even then we didn't know anywhere near what we know now about what it does to fuel economy. Remember those daze? Well, it's the same stuff. The only thing that's changed is the option to bypass it for real gas.
gs7101 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,520 Points:115,245 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Aug 2, 2010 7:08:47 AM Ignore gs7101 Report Abuse Ethanol is here to stay -- 10 percent added is fine.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,793 Points:633,350 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 1, 2010 12:51:46 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse JettaKnight: thanks for the legwork. You did it for me :) Yes, corn and fuel are probably some of the most heavily subsidized industries out there.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,122 Points:1,150,925 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Aug 1, 2010 9:25:39 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse jettaknight covered things well. these subsidies are used and abused. something that should have come to an end long ago.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,655 Points:673,595 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Aug 1, 2010 8:02:04 AM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse OK!
WCCurtis Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,020 Points:922,390 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 1, 2010 1:53:53 AM Ignore WCCurtis Report Abuse Politicians almost always think they know what is best for us and forget to do what we want.
djtdi Champion Author San Jose Posts:1,236 Points:296,005 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 1, 2010 12:13:28 AM Ignore djtdi Report Abuse We can thank lobbyists for ethanol producers for getting us in this mess.
uptherefiners Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,167 Points:273,975 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:57:54 PM Ignore uptherefiners Report Abuse wish I could quick the entire state of Illinois is at least 10% enjoy it while you can
aldog365 Champion Author Nashville Posts:1,046 Points:1,145,360 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:57:38 PM Ignore aldog365 Report Abuse Ethanol is a waste and cost more in the long run.
Quick68 Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,039 Points:250,350 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:53:25 PM Ignore Quick68 Report Abuse I will stay with real gas.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,681 Points:965,560 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:52:19 PM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse Without ethanol I get better milage.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,551 Points:954,820 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:47:44 PM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse Good question GasRJT. Here's some resources we have so far: Puregas.org is one... Buyrealgas.com is another found on a search recently, not sure of the reliability... And then there are numerous threads in the "Local Discussion" forum of various states (or there should be-- if you can't find one, start one) And remember members, if you know of one in your area, let the world know by entering "ethanol-free" in the comments field when reporting a price. Then to be on the receiving end, search your list for "all stations/all cities" and then search the page for the term "eth" to make 'em show up. [Edited by: sluggopyle at 8/1/2010 12:48:50 AM EST]
Bus561 Champion Author Lexington Posts:11,497 Points:2,244,575 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:42:55 PM Ignore Bus561 Report Abuse That sounds like the crooked oil industry. No wonder my vehicles aren't getting the milage that they should get. I hate this useless junk and I wish it would were back into the cornfields of the USA where it belongs.
GAWalv Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,838 Points:1,216,855 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:41:59 PM Ignore GAWalv Report Abuse The gas buddies in Oklahoma got together and had an email blitz and convinced our legislature to pass a law that all gas stations in Oklahoma had to disclose if they were not selling 100% gasoline. So all we have to do in Oklahoma is just look at the pump and see if it says "contains 10% ethanol". Most stations that have pure 100% gasoline advertise it with labels at the pump and large banners, "no ethanol in our gasoline!" Some stations sell both 100% and E10. We have tested some to the stations and instead of E10 some are E15, E17 or even E20. The ethanol damages plastic and rubber parts in lawn mowers, chain saws, boats, and your car.
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,652 Points:731,425 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:40:59 PM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse I ran 100% gasoline and did not get any better mileage.
GasRJT All-Star Author Kansas Posts:615 Points:146,495 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:36:37 PM Ignore GasRJT Report Abuse Ethanol-free gas is the way to go. I'm going on that website to see if there's a station near me that sells the good stuff. My vehicle definately gets better gas mileage with the straight gas vs. ethanol laced gas. [Edited by: GasRJT at 8/1/2010 12:45:03 AM EST]
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:5,304 Points:763,515 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:36:18 PM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse The real stuff gets better gas milage too.
probedude2 Champion Author Akron Posts:7,579 Points:1,404,755 Joined:Jun 2003	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:33:01 PM Ignore probedude2 Report Abuse I wish there was a station in my area!
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:5,544 Points:890,720 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:30:27 PM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse No loss
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:3,900 Points:1,006,620 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:28:33 PM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse I'll stay with ethanol free gas as long as I can find it!!
TheSicilian Veteran Author Jacksonville Posts:454 Points:494,610 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:27:48 PM Ignore TheSicilian Report Abuse I'm told its not good for small engines
Gary65 Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,498 Points:468,370 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:26:37 PM Ignore Gary65 Report Abuse Take ethanol out of our gas.
JettaKnight Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,048 Points:1,306,550 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:26:26 PM Ignore JettaKnight Report Abuse RENEGADEGAS Missouri "JettaKnight...nothing edible is used or has ever been used to manufacture ethanol. It is field corn. It is a crop that will be grown regardless whether it is used to make ethanol or not. The farmers for once in decades actually are making a profit again from their hard work. They however would be the first to protest wasting food suitable for human consumption." Obviously you've misread my post. I replied to another poster emphasizing the need to NOT use farmland for ethanol production. Unless the real world is wrong, field corn is grown on farmland. Using your own logc, since field corn is used to feed livestock, using it to produce ethanol removes it from the feed stock supply, reducing the amount of food available for livestock and therefore reducing the number of livestock that are capable of being produced for market... less food for them means less food for us. As for farmers "finally" making a profit on corn. Give me a break. Corn production is subsidized to the hilt. No one can grow corn themselves to feed their own livestock or for chemical production for less than they can buy it from subsidized corn farmers. It's well documented and a primary reason why chemical extracts & compounds are created from corn. Here's a sample list of items derived from corn: Alpha Tocopherol Cellulose Calcium Stearate Xylitol Ethyl Lactate Maltodextrin Saccharin Polydextrose Ethylene Fibersol-2 Sucrose Gluten Sorbital White Vinegar Ethel Acetate Citrus Cloud Emulsion High Fructose Corn Syrup Fumaric Acid Citric Acid Ascorbic Acid Inosital Di-Glycerides Baking Powder Zein Fructose Semolina Sorbic Acid Vanilla Extract Margarine Starch In other words, almost anything you buy has corn in it... from baby powder to Coca Cola. Now, tell me WHO is paying for all of that? You got it. Taxpayers! WHO is profiting from all of that? Corn farmers.
panama303 All-Star Author Denver Posts:501 Points:200,940 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:26:16 PM Ignore panama303 Report Abuse Another failure at energy independence
CumminsFanOH Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,092 Points:485,970 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:25:47 PM Ignore CumminsFanOH Report Abuse You get worse gas mileage if there is ethanol in the fuel.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:17,950 Points:2,132,045 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:23:15 PM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse ethanol was and still is a mistake .
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,626 Points:1,384,990 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:20:24 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse Our mistake was not making engines that burn it correctly and getting it all from Corn, thanks to the lobbyists. I say ban all lobbyists and listen to the people that elected you, this is the way government is suppose to work. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:4,289 Points:840,600 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:18:08 PM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse Screw ethanol, I will par extra for real gas. It is cheaper in the long run
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:1,537 Points:167,480 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:16:56 PM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Put food where it belongs....on someones table, not in gas.
gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,474 Points:1,556,140 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:16:52 PM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse I avoid ethanol low mpg gas. I pay about 5 cent more per gallon and get about 3-5 more mpg.
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,013 Points:774,360 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:16:39 PM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse I would be interested in seeing a list of oil companies that still sell 100% gas,listed by ststes.
marcGasMan Veteran Author Ottawa Posts:499 Points:106,825 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:13:31 PM Ignore marcGasMan Report Abuse Not sure about this
MahopacJack Champion Author New York Posts:3,073 Points:723,045 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:12:16 PM Ignore MahopacJack Report Abuse Most of the sensible world does not want ethanol. That's why people are willing to pay a premium for the Undiluted fuel.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,551 Points:954,820 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:10:58 PM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse => I haven't seen any conventional gas ever since 2007. If anyone knows where they sell it in northern Virginia, please do tell. <= Check this out, Jarod. It's one of the better state threads. Good luck.
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,962 Points:1,123,945 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:07:26 PM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse We need to mass produce ethanol gas here and sale it to other countries, we'll keep the good stuff for us!
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,885 Points:639,475 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:06:38 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse I haven't seen any conventional gas ever since 2007. If anyone knows where they sell it in northern Virginia, please do tell.
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:249,242 Points:1,137,650 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:05:10 PM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse ... Hopefully, the fumes go away quickly. ...
bababooey2 Champion Author Hartford Posts:1,491 Points:327,815 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:03:43 PM Ignore bababooey2 Report Abuse It eats and breaks down fiberglass resin used in some marine fuel tanks!
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,885 Points:639,475 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 11:03:43 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse I haven't seen any conventional gas ever since 2007. If anyone knows where they sell it in northern Virginia, please do tell.
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:4,149 Points:805,980 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:59:15 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse Right on Vette 1967... Anything with Ethanol, SUCKS!!! It's bad on Aluminum too... or didn't they tell you. What a BOONDOGGLE. BAD in 1973 and worse today! Change articles here... this is 24 hours old.
Ray_10589 All-Star Author New York Posts:582 Points:261,900 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:57:18 PM Ignore Ray_10589 Report Abuse Tis has proven not to be a good alternative....
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:1,404 Points:331,945 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:51:48 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse We should always have choices. However, E85 here is less expensive than regular fuel with 10% ethanol. This helps to make up for the lower MPG you get.
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:4,070 Points:1,335,685 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:51:35 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse if you need for your toys its worth it
JettaKnight Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,048 Points:1,306,550 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:50:58 PM Ignore JettaKnight Report Abuse PetroPedro Florida "always get better mileage with non-ethanol gas" Any vehicle designed for use with Gasoline ONLY always will. Any vehicle designed for use with Ethanol only, will always work best without a blended fuel. So far, there isn't an engine in existence that works as well on blended fuels as an engine designed for ONE specific fuel.
bills55 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,183 Points:304,925 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:49:51 PM Ignore bills55 Report Abuse Chris46 is so right. People hated that change but they got over it.
bills55 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,183 Points:304,925 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:47:38 PM Ignore bills55 Report Abuse In the future I hope we can make ethanal from cellulose and other by-products but until then we will have to make it from grain.
RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:7,683 Points:620,155 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:47:24 PM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse JettaKnight...nothing edible is used or has ever been used to manufacture ethanol. It is field corn. It is a crop that will be grown regardless whether it is used to make ethanol or not. The farmers for once in decades actually are making a profit again from their hard work. They however would be the first to protest wasting food suitable for human consumption.
AKmailman All-Star Author Alaska Posts:727 Points:593,070 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:47:03 PM Ignore AKmailman Report Abuse glad that crap hasn't found its way up here
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:11,054 Points:1,251,275 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2010 10:46:43 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse Thirty years ago, it was leaded gas that was fading from the pumps, but not without a fight. Conventional gas will be the same way. [Edited by: Chris46 at 7/31/2010 11:47:22 PM EST]